Hydrogen
Published September 27, 2006
Politicians and automakers love to talk about pollution-free cars powered by hydrogen. The media eats it up, and the debate for and against hydrogen resurfaces again.
- Proponents claim hydrogen will someday free us from our dependence on oil and eliminate pollution from our cars.
- Cynics say hydrogen may never be practical as a motor fuel, and they accuse energy companies and automakers of focusing on hydrogen at the expense of more realistic, near-term solutions.
At this point, it’s hard to tell which side is right: A lot depends on how quickly technologies can be developed to generate, transport, and utilize hydrogen fuel that is both economical and environmentally sound.
> Assuming you could produce a supply of hydrogen fuel, are there other challenges to putting hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on the road?
So Close and Yet So Far
One of the big advantages of hydrogen is that it’s abundant: there is hydrogen in fossil fuels, alcohols—even in water. This means that hydrogen fuel can be made from a large number of feedstocks. Today, common ways of producing hydrogen include reforming natural gas (in which four hydrogen atoms are separated from a carbon atom) and electrolyzing water (which decouples two hydrogen atoms from an oxygen atom). The fact that hydrogen can be produced in so many ways means that, unlike petroleum, supplies of hydrogen can’t run out, nor will they be concentrated in one area of the world. Hydrogen is everywhere—it just needs to be captured and used.
Capturing hydrogen, however, is not as easy as it sounds. There isn’t much pure hydrogen around because hydrogen tends to bond easily with other elements. To make hydrogen fuel, hydrogen must be separated from whatever it’s attached to, a process that requires energy. For this reason, hydrogen is often called an “energy carrier” rather than an energy source.
To get hydrogen, you first have to put energy in. For example, making a kilogram of hydrogen from water through electrolysis requires 45-70 kWh of electricity, depending on the technology. This amount of electricity could power the average American home for roughly two to three days.
Consider the Source
Depending on where that electricity comes from, hydrogen can be clean and efficient or anything but. In many areas of the country, electricity comes primarily from coal-fired power plants. Burning coal to generate electricity—and then using that electricity to make hydrogen—is not such a good idea. The hydrogen at the end of the process may be used in vehicles that are “clean,” but the coal that was used to make the electricity emitted significant amounts of pollution and greenhouse gases. In addition, this process is not very efficient since losses occur each time one form of energy is converted to another.
However, if the electricity used to make hydrogen comes from renewable sources, such as hydroelectric, geothermal, solar, or wind, then hydrogen can be extremely clean. Hydrogen from renewables also releases no climate change emissions, and provides users with complete independence from fossil fuels. This is what appeals to hydrogen’s supporters: the prospect of a fuel that is abundant, non-polluting, and safe for the world’s climate.
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Thank you very much for the info.
this are some really nice cars i want one so bad. but they also cost a fortine so i will stick to the car i have now.
If we were to switch the majority of our electrical power production to nuclear fission, and add more capacity, we could use the off peak capacity to create hydrogen for the next generation vehicles, and power plug-in hybrids. That would also free up large amounts of natural gas now used to produce electricity. That natural gas could be used to power retrofitted vehicles from the existing fleet. Trust me, if natural gas became much cheaper than gas and diesel, many local truck fleets, for example, would jump at converting.
Hmmm, big reduction in greenhouse emissions, nobody fighting and dying for oil, a distinct loss of income to terrorist states... sign me up!
Where are our environmental and political leaders???? Too heavily invested in the major oil companies? Too invested in keeping the global warming crisis going - the one they created when they villified nuclear power?
How much fuel is being made with Hydrogen? If it takes 70KW of electricity to get 1 kilogram of Hydrogen, why not make electric cars fueled from alternate fuel sources such as windmills? Or maybe yet, drive smaller cars and not consume as much.
"If you go through the entire hydrogen chain starting with AC-DC conversion, electrolysis, compression, or liquefaction, transportation, storage, re-conversion the electricity by fuel cells with subsequent DC-AC, there are additional losses in every process stage. This is physics, not poor handling. And as the laws of physics are eternal, there was no past, there is no present, and there will be no future for a hydrogen economy."
-Ulf Bossel
efcf (dot) com/reports/E22.pdf
i love these cars!!!!
Above reads: "Burning coal to generate electricity—and then using that electricity to make hydrogen—is not such a good idea. The hydrogen at the end of the process may be used in vehicles that are “clean,” but the coal that was used to make the electricity emitted significant amounts of pollution and greenhouse gases."
But even if it's not 100% clean, it's better than hauling the oil from the Middle East on ships, refining it, and shipping it to our gas stations, isn't it?
Shame on the automakers for not getting us hydrogen cars or battery-powered electrics sooner than now.
Food for thought: At present, enough electrical power can be generated from photovoltaic cells on a roof to run a household, and in some cases, sell the excess back to the power grid (be it aftermarket installations, or, from roof tiles where the technology is built into the tile). This may not be the case in Sun challenged geographical areas, where there's not enough sunlight to make it efficient or economically feasable. However, where it can work, would it be possible ??.. to use this form of energy (geothermal and wind also) ??.. to charge/power, short distance electric commuter cars (inner-city with 10 mi. out diameter, ), power the household, and to make the necessary electrical power to extract hydrogen from water and (many) other sources, for use as a fuel for vehicles, cooking, water heating, etc.??? Especially with the advent of the newer roll-out "sheets" of photo-voltaic cells that are "flat" and much more adaptable to a larger variety of applications. While they are new and not yet in the marketing stage, money from oil companies, government, and investors , and a shift in focus, could speed up the process to consumers, and business, almost like overnight mail.
Still, storage of hydrogen, remains a challenge. It has come a long way since Forest City, Iowa, (1962/64 ?), where all of the city's buses were converted to run on hydrogen, in one of the first large scale trials, using hydrogen as a fuel. Earlier successful trials were done in Provo, Utah, and Riverside, Utah, (The Billings Company). If I had money to invest, I would put it there. It would be a worthy investment, not only in monetary returns, but in a cleaner, environmentally way.
(You know.. in a stop global warming, stop oil war-ing, stop power broking sort of way)
Think about it......
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When I first read about the First Commercial Hydrogen Car Honda FCX Clarity I was amazed and saw the issue with high prices solved. I was new to the world of alternative power sources for automotive industry, so Honda Clarity seemed like a big deal to me. Then I've read about Hydrogen Powered Cars being potentially more environmentally harmful and my cloud nine collapsed. Then I've stumbled upon this site and found lots and lots of great info. I still have a lot of reading to do before I catch up with everyone, but I'm genuinely interested so I’ll be spending more time here.
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